The launch of ChatGPT was a "Sputnik moment". In making tangible decades of progress it shot AI to the fore of public consciousness. This attention is accelerating AI development as dollars are poured into scaling models.   What is the next stage in this journey? And where is the destination?    My guest this week, Nell Watson, offers a broad perspective on the possible trajectories. She sits in several IEEE groups looking at AI Ethics, safety & transparency, has founded AI companies, and is a consultant to Apple on philosophical matters.  Nell makes a compelling case that we can expect to see agentic AI being soon adopted widely. We might even see whole AI corporations. In the context of these possible developments, she reasons that concerns of AI  ethics and safety — so often siloed within different communities — should be understood as continuous.    Along the way we talk about the perils of hamburgers and the good things that could come from networking our minds.   Links * Nell's book: Taming The Machine: Ethically Harness The Power Of AI  [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Taming-Machine-Ethically-Harness-Power/dp/1398614327] * Multiverses home [http://multiverses.xyz]