This time, Red is joined by Josie Lloyd who, since her debut in 1997, has written a string of best-selling novels, including the international smash hit Come Together, which she co-wrote with her husband Emlyn Rees. Although her books are a celebration of life, love, and friendship, Josie has never shied away from difficult subjects, but she invariably does so with a sense of hope and humour. This was particularly true of her 2021 novel, The Cancer Ladies Running Club, which she wrote in the wake of her own diagnosis of breast cancer. The novel, published in the U.S. as The Brightside Running Club, is now being made into a film of the same name, and its themes of finding positivity through fitness and friendship are continued in Josie’s latest book, Lifesaving For Beginners. Written during the lockdown, it too touches on some dark subject matter but as always Josie’s light touch is there to celebrate some of what the lockdown gave us as well as recognize what it took away. "Literature should be there to hold up a mirror for people to find themselves in, and I always look for the funny in life," she says. Join Josie and Red as they discuss the healing powers of friendship, open-water swimming, and The Very Hungover Caterpillar!