In this episode of NBR’s Back in Business podcast with Simon Shepherd: Kirk Hope has been the public face of BusinessNZ for more than eight years, but now he's off. He reveals what it was like working with the Ardern Government, why the phrase ‘Fair Pay Agreement’ is so triggering, and what goes through his mind when he is catching a wave. For early access to each podcast episode, head to NBR.co.nz and subscribe. This podcast uses audio from various sources, attribution links here.