Beholding the government-shutdown fiasco, Jay recalls an old term: "goo-goo." He and Mona discuss "the wall and the cave," the Democratic field so far, and "The Three Amigos." They also ask if the U.S. remains serious about NATO. Mona recounts a personal experience of Roger Stone. Music from this week's show: Fazil Say plays his famous jazz version of Mozart's "Rondo alla turca," live and in concert. MoreJoin the conversation and comment on this podcast episode: https://ricochet.com/podcast/need-to-know/goo-goos-amigos-and-other-characters/. Podcast listeners: Now become a Ricochet member for only $2.50 a month! Join and see what you’ve been missing: https://ricochet.com/join/. Subscribe to Need to Know in iTunes (and leave a 5-star review, please!), or by RSS feed. For all our podcasts in one place, subscribe to the Ricochet Audio Network Superfeed in iTunes or by RSS feed.