Blair Enns (author of Win Without Pitching and Pricing Creativity) joins Andy to discuss the challenges that creatives have when it comes to business. How our emotional attachment to work can hinder financial success and why we shy away from the grown-up stuff. We also discuss the pro's and con's of unpaid internships and whether mental health issues are naturally more present in creatives.  Links: Rocket Fuel book Win without pitching Mentally-Healthy research Never Not Creative Thank to Streamtime for all their support – project management software for healthier creative businesses. --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/nevernotcreative/message