"It is in payments, that we all, rich or poor, have an interest in money.” We all have a relationship with money, whether we like it or not, money is a way in which we communicate our wants, preferences, ideals and priorities. However, as pivotal as money is to civilization, we rarely stop to think about the fact that what is so foundational about money is not money in an of itself, but the way in which we move it around.   In this fascinating conversation with Natasha de Terán, Co-Author of the Book: The Pay Off: How Changing the Way we Pay changes Everything, we get to hear with a unique degree of authority, insight and clarity how the way in which payments are changing is reflective of deep societal shifts, but is also reshaping the way we trust and relate to each other. This is an important conversation that will have you reaching for pen and paper, phone or tablet to capture the depth and relevance of Natasha’s expert knowledge. In this session we covered a lot of ground discussing everything from financial inclusion, new sources of payments revenue, to sanctions , censorship and democracy. This is probably the most interesting piece of content you will listen to today!