Listen now on Apple Podcasts and Spotify Jess Gilliam is the Brand Creative Director at Giphy. She’s also an artist and maker, whose creative output is full of joy and play. In our conversation, Jess offers her thoughts on being an artist in the modern world, with the constant push and pull of having a 'grown-up' job versus making art that’s linked to your sense of being a playful child. We also discuss the pressures of being an adult and having a so-called proper job. Jess also shares her journey of coming back to herself and unlocking her creativity, mirrored by her move from New York back home to California. We also discuss the ins and outs of Jess’s creative practice, and her work at Giphy. It’s a wonderful, soothing, relatable conversation. -- Discover Shillington Shillington is an online graphic design school I highly recommend. If you’re looking to finally get your graphic design skills to the next level and enter or transition within the industry, their graphic design course is for you. The course is 3 months full-time or 9 months part-time across 4 global timezones, and graduates consistently land jobs at top studios. To find out more, visit ShillingtonEducation.com -- Get featured in press Get your digital copy of The Insider's Guide to PR for Creative Businesses at justynagreen.com/prguide and use code ONDESIGN at the checkout for 20% off. -- Podcast music and production: James Greenfield