Ben returns from Patagonia with news of Ryan Sinclair, and also to discuss Ascension of the Cybermen and Revenge of the Cybermen with Mark and a returning Dylan Rees from Doctor Who: Too Hot For TV.  In a sprawling discussion, they discuss Chris Chibnall's troubling obsession with throwing people from cliffs, pitch a Glitter Gun origin show to Disney+, defend the silly Cyber-drones, and revisit Wookie Hole to discuss the Curse of the Revenge of the Cybermen. ALSO: Ben tackles the socio-political impact of the First Cyber War, an expansive history of Edinburgh's car boot fairs, the longest rally in Degsey's Ding-Dong Ping-Pong history, and a terrible Irish accent.  Support the showFollow us on Twitter Like us on Facebook Buy us a pint