In Episode #53, Ross is joined by Liza Enebeis, Partner and Creative Director at Studio Dumbar. Liza holds an MA Design from the Royal College of Art. She is a co-initiator of Demo – the Design in Motion Festival – and co-founder and host of Typeradio.org, the podcast station on type and design. In 2018, she was elected as a member of AGI, and, in 2021, she became a member of the Board of D&AD Ross and Liza discuss Studio Dumbar’s philosophy of Pure, Simple, and Powerful, and motion as the next frontier in brand building, defining a brand's personality.