We had a fun chat with Abdel Sghiouar of Google about his work in the Kubernetes world, being a cloud native road warrior, and his thoughts on where the ecosystem goes from here. Abdel shares his transition from a data center role at Google to consulting and finally into developer relations, emphasizing the importance of in-person interactions and learning from community engagements. He reflects on Kubernetes' evolution, its application beyond traditional computing environments, and the shift towards more developer-friendly infrastructure management tools. We also explore the cultural and technological shifts within the tech community, stressing the perpetual relevance of foundational computing skills, the potential of emerging technologies like WASM, and the critical nature of security in development practices.  00:00 Welcome and Intro01:45 From Data Centers to Kubernetes04:25 The Evolution and Impact of Kubernetes07:40 Navigating the Kubernetes Ecosystem and Community Growth13:52 Addressing the Complexity of Kubernetes for Newcomers15:20 Fundamentals to Cloud Transition17:29 The Never-Ending Journey of Learning and Adaptation20:49 The Future of Tech: Kubernetes, AI, and Beyond24:51 The Simplicity Behind Complex Tech Solutions26:19 Looking Ahead Guest: Abdel Sghiouar is a Cloud Developer Advocate @Google Cloud. His focus areas are GKE/Kubernetes, Service Mesh and Serverless. Abdel started his career in datacenters and infrastructure in Morocco before moving to Google's largest EU datacenter in Belgium. Then in Sweden he joined Google Cloud Professional Services and spent 5 years working with Google Cloud customers on architecting and designing large scale distributed systems before turning to advocacy and community work. You can follow him at @boredabdel.