In this episode, Matt Butcher, CEO of Fermyon and a creator of the Helm project, returns to discuss his work with Helm—a nearly ubiquitous project in Kubernetes management. Matt provides insights into Helm's evolution from version 2 to version 3 and shares his vision for Helm 4. He emphasizes the importance of maintaining stability while embracing necessary changes and highlights the role of community contributions in open source projects like Helm. The conversation covers the new features and architectural changes planned for Helm 4, as well as how individuals can get involved in its development. Matt reflects on the significance of fostering a supportive and inclusive community and encourages new contributors to join the effort, noting the current opportune moment to influence Helm's future. 00:00 Introduction00:37 The Helm Project01:08 WebAssembly and Spin 301:54 Helm's Evolution and Future 04:22 Philosophy Behind Helm 4 11:35 Community Involvement and Contribution 18:46 Encouraging New Contributors   Guest: Matt Butcher is co-founder and CEO of Fermyon, the serverless WebAssembly in the cloud company. He is one of the original creators of Helm, Brigade, CNAB, OAM, Glide, and Krustlet. He has written or co-written many books, including Learning Helm and Go in Practice. He is a co-creator of the Illustrated Children’s Guide to Kubernetes series. These days, he works mostly on WebAssembly projects such as Spin, Fermyon Cloud and Bartholomew. He holds a Ph.D. in Philosophy. He lives in Colorado, where he drinks lots of coffee.