In this week's interview, Melinda Marks' joins us to discuss her latest research. Her recent report Modernizing Application Security to Scale for Cloud-Native Development delves into many aspects and trends affecting AppSec as it matures, particularly in cloud-first organizations. We also discuss the fuzzy line between "cloud-native" AppSec and everything else that refuses to disappear, particularly for organizations that weren't born cloud-native and still have legacy workloads to worry about. Integrating security into the SDLC and CI/CD pipelines, infrastructure as code (IaC) trends, best of breed vs platform, and other aspects of AppSec get discussed as well! Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/asw-307