We had the pleasure of finally having Dave Lewis on the show to discuss shadow IT and security debt. Dave shared some fascinating insights from his long career in cybersecurity, emphasizing the importance of addressing fundamental security issues and the human aspect of security. We delved into the challenges of managing shadow IT, the complexities of security debt, and the need for organizations to prioritize security practices. Overall, it was a great conversation that highlighted the ongoing struggles in our industry and the importance of learning from past mistakes to build a more secure future. Show Notes: https://securityweekly.com/psw-849