In this episode, Fabrice Bourlez, who teaches aesthetics (ENSBA) and practices psychoanalysis in Paris, speaks about his exploration of concepts of tact and elasticity in his practice, and in his reading of Freud, Ferenczi, and Lacan, as well as of Michel de Certeau, Michel Foucault, and queer theory. The author of Pulsions pasoliniennes (Pasolinean Drives) and of Queer psychanalyse: clinique mineure et déconstructions du genre (Queer Psychoanalysis: Minor Clinic and Deconstructions of Gender) discusses the importance of sustaining a conversation across queer politics and the metapsychology and technique of psychoanalysis in the 21st century, as part of awakening ethics and listening in a minor mode. Amelia Gayle reads the English translation in this recording. Interview translated from French by Cynthia Mitchell. Thanks to Kellen Corrallo for his editorial work.