This podcast is brought to you by Personio. Growth got you feeling like a hot mess? Scaling up can be a doozy, but don't worry, we've got your back. The People Masterminds podcast is here to relieve your scaling stress and bring you People & Culture inspiration that you can actually use. Get moved and shaken by Kristel and Eveliese who, based on their daily experiences with scale-ups, know exactly the growing pains you have to go through to reach your goals. Forget cookie-cutter advice, we bring you the goods - real insights, killer tips, practical cases, and amazingly interesting guests who will blow your mind. Listen in and get ready to level up with the People masterminds podcast. The People masterminds podcast is our way of sharing knowledge and experience for free. Want to know more about our other services and products? Visit www.peoplemasterminds.com or contact us at [email protected]. Want to receive our regular ‘Brain Bites’? Go to www.peoplemasterminds.com/brainbites and subscribe. In this episode we were joined by Colin Blonden, Chief of Staff at Fourthline, to talk about this fascinating role. You might be thinking - isn’t a Chief of Staff just for the White House? Think again. More and more scale-ups are hiring a CoS too. Tune in now to learn more about: ➡️ What the role actually involves. ➡️ What size the company should have before it makes sense to hire a CoS. ➡️ What the added value of a CoS is. ➡️ The potential risks to watch out for. Don’t miss out on this insightful, fun conversation - tune in now!