orly? ops people actually talking with developers. Also: Spring

orly? ops people actually talking with developers. Also: Spring talk.

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In the DevOps, cloud, platform world we're told that operations people starting working closely with developers. This week @thecote been asked "does that really happen?" several times. We discuss the orly on that. Also, Ben and Coté talk about the Spring Framework community. Here is the video recording this episode if you prefer that kind of thing.

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