The CNCF has a new kubernetes survey out and it has some interesting findings. We discuss several of them and our takes on them. Also, fresh back from cfmgmtcamp in Ghent, Coté talks about a new entrant in the configuration and release management space, System Initiative.    As ever, with your three friends: @egrigson, @benbravo73, & @cote. Here's the original video we streamed live if you're into that kind of thing.