On this week’s episode of Politricking with Tshidi Madia: Having been an eyewitness to the dramatic shifts in political power in South Africa, Mathews Phosa penned a book to share some of these moments that shaped the politics of this country. He joins Tshidi in studio to share some nuggets from the book as he reflects on the different leaders he had the opportunity of working with and the relationship he had with them. He speaks about what he believes was the beginning of the downfall of the ANC during the conference in Polokwane. He goes on to reflect on how he convinced Zuma to resign and ends of the conversation by sharing his thoughts about the GNU. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.