In this episode sponsored by mywindowbox Joff Elphick talks to poet, songwriter, author, and nature lover Pam Ayres.  We talk about her 2018 bestseller 'The Last Hedgehog' and discuss the plight of our most loved and only spikey garden mammal. Pam kindly recites the book as well as part of another poem that she wrote way back in 1972. As usual I catch up with my old gardening chum Geoff Carr to talk about a new piece of equipment that I find invaluable in the garden.