This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, features an absorbing discussion with Professor Sir Cary Cooper, CBE, recorded shortly after his keynote at the 2020 Association for Business Psychology Conference. Sir Cary shares his thoughts on, among other things, what have we learned from the Covid crisis as we enter a major recession, and the current state of business and world leadership. He also provides a fascinating insight into his early career and what motivated him to get started in the psychology field. Sir Cary is widely regarded as the father of the wellbeing movement. He is 50th Anniversary Professor of Organizational Psychology and Health at Manchester Business School, President of the CIPD, and Chair of the National Forum for Health & Wellbeing at Work -- comprising 40 global companies. Amongst his very many roles and achievements he has been an advisor to the World Health Organisation, ILO, and EU in the field of occupational health and wellbeing, and was Chair of the Global Agenda Council on Chronic Disease of the World Economic Forum. He is the author/editor of over 250 books in the field of occupational health psychology, workplace wellbeing, women at work and occupational stress. He was awarded the CBE by the Queen for his contributions to occupational health; and in 2014 he was awarded a Knighthood for his contribution to the social sciences