This episode of POW, the Psychology of Work podcast, was recorded after Dr Tomas Chamorro-Premuzic’s keynote at the 2020 Association for Business Psychology Conference. In a fascinating discussion with ABP board member Nicky Thompson, Tomas shares his thoughts on, among other things, the critical role of leadership in the pandemic and the challenges and opportunities it presents; the importance of harnessing data and acting on data-driven insights; distinguishing between confidence and competence when evaluating leadership potential, diversity and inclusiveness; the characteristics of great CHROs; and the ever increasing value of business psychology to organisations. Tomas is a psychologist, author and entrepreneur who has written 10 books and over 150 scientific papers on the psychology of talent, leadership, innovation and AI. He has also written articles for the HBR, The Guardian, Forbes and Fast Company, to name just a few! Tomas has made over 100 media appearances, and has shared his ideas on TED, CNN and the BBC. He is also a keynote speaker for the Institute of Economic Affairs. He is currently the Chief Talent Scientist at ManpowerGroup, co-founder of Deeper Signals and Metaprofiling, and Professor of Business Psychology at University College London and Columbia University. His commercial work focuses on the creation of science-based tools that improve organisations’ ability to predict performance, and people’s ability to understand themselves.