[originally published on Patreon Nov 22, 2023] Today I'm rejoined by Comrade Chad to continue our discussion about post-Trotsky Trotskyism in the US. We continue discussing Burnham's various intrigues and we go pretty deep on Joseph Hansen's perfidious career. Along the way we get into the Fair Play for Cuba Committee, Lee Harvey Oswald, and Socialist Workers Party history generally. I go through Lyndon LaRouche's early career as a Trot leading up to him starting his own idiosyncratic movement. Chad discusses the Carleton College crew, Jack Barnes, and so forth. Finally, I finish up discussing the case of the Paine family and their relationship to the JFK assassination. Songs: Your Cheatin’ Heart by Hank Williams St. Thomas by Sonny Rollins Wrecking Ball by Miley Cyrus