Hosted by: Aaron Crow Guest: Clint Bodungen Clint Bodungen is a globally recognized cybersecurity professional and thought leader with 25+ years of experience (focusing primarily on industrial cybersecurity, red teaming, and risk assessment). He is the author of two books, "Hacking Exposed: Industrial Control Systems" and “ChatGPT for Cybersecurity Cookbook. Clint is a United States Air Force veteran and has worked for notable cybersecurity firms like Symantec, Booz Allen Hamilton, and Kaspersky Lab, and is currently the co-founder and CEO of a cybersecurity training startup, ThreatGEN. Renowned for his creative approach to cybersecurity education and training, he has been at the forefront of integrating gamification and AI applications into cybersecurity training, creating his flagship product, “ThreatGEN® Red vs. Blue”, the world's first online multiplayer computer designed to teach real-world cybersecurity. His latest innovation is AutoTableTop, which uses the latest generative AI technology to automate, simplify, and revolution IR tabletop exercises. As AI technology continues to evolve, so too does his pursuit to help revolutionize the cybersecurity industry using generative AI and large language models (LLM). Summary In this conversation, Clint and Aaron discuss the value of tabletop exercises in cybersecurity and the development of auto tabletop, an AI-based tool for facilitating incident response tabletop exercises. They highlight the limitations of traditional tabletops and the benefits of using AI to enhance engagement and flexibility. They address concerns about AI in cybersecurity, such as data privacy and security, and emphasize the use of local language models to mitigate risks. They also discuss the future of AI in the industry and the workforce, emphasizing the importance of learning generative AI and prompt engineering for future job prospects. In this conversation, Clint discusses the automation of tasks using AI and the benefits of using AI as a tool to enhance human creativity. He also explores the future of AI and its potential for accelerating technological advancement. Clint acknowledges the concerns about the potential misuse of AI but emphasizes the importance of using it for good. He highlights the role of AI in reducing barriers to innovation and its significance in cybersecurity. Overall, the conversation highlights the transformative power of AI and its impact on various industries. Takeaways Tabletop exercises are important for testing incident response plans and should be conducted regularly for maximum effectiveness. AI-based tabletop exercises, such as auto tabletop, offer increased engagement and flexibility compared to traditional tabletops. Concerns about data privacy and security can be addressed by using local language models and fine-tuning models for specific tasks. AI has the potential to enhance productivity and efficiency in the industry, but proper understanding and implementation are crucial. Learning generative AI and prompt engineering can increase job prospects in the future. AI can automate menial tasks, allowing humans to focus on more valuable work.