I loved being in conversation with these two amazing people!  Moe Ari (they/he) is a Licensed Marriage and Family Therapist, The Love and Connection Expert at Hinge, a TEDx Speaker, a Board Member for It Gets Better Project, a published academic writer, and a Leading Expert in Transgender Mental Health. He also identifies as Transgender. He's been featured in magazines and news outlets throughout the US, UK, and Australia for his expertise in Transgender identity, love, and relationships  Tiffany (she/her) is a ç, public speaker, and femme-powerment coach! She is the founder of Birthing The Empress Within, a platform she is developing to help women nurture themselves as they go through the journey of motherhood. Tiffany is also a brand partner for the Irth app, a tech company dedicated to equity in Black Maternal Health.  Our drag avatars kickstart us into a conversation about dancing with shadow and light, inspiring me to share a dream I had the night before the interview about a jaguar picking me up gently in it’s teeth.   We move onto to discuss how Tiffany, as a post-partum birth duala - sees birth from a spiritual perspective. She acknowledges the incredible Right of passage that occurs not just for the baby and it’s mom, but for everyone connected to a new child coming into the world.   Moe then shares about how shadow work is not just working with what traumas from the past- but it’s looking at the shadows as they are showing up in the present moment.  He also talks about the shadow work that surfaced during his gender transition. And specifically, we talk about grieving our lost identities as we evolve into new versions of ourselves.   This brings in the idea of being in good relationship with grief and other challenging emotions- and recognizing that grief can actually call-in gratitude.   Moe then shares how he see shis being transgender as an invitation for people to see others beyond their physical form and we talk about slaying limitations.   We then get into what spiritual lessons they are learning from raising their 3-year old daughter.  We chat about the journey of reclaiming spirituality after growing up in traditional religious background and coming out of the closet as spiritual  And we end with an invitation into one ness and love. 3 Check out their Be Your Own Love Goals Podcast here:  https://pod.link/1621380464 My upcoming retreat Awakened Hearts- https://www.wil-fullyliving.com/events#hearts-alive Support the show