Renowned radio scholar Michele Hilmes is Professor Emerita, Media and Cultural Studies in the Department of Communication Arts at University of Wisconsin-Madison and has been a long time proponent of the importance of studying radio and sound, which have often been neglected in the broader field of media studies. She joins us on the show to discuss radio studies, her call for new terminology surrounding audio works, and the growing interest in sound studies. Show Notes: * Michele Hilmes website at University of Wisconsin* Michele Hilmes piece Soundwork: Something to Work With in Resonance: The Journal of Sound and Culture* Radio Preservation Task Force* Podcast #135: Resurfacing Women’s Contributions in Podcasting History* Podcast #167: Alternative Histories of Podcasting* The Music Theory of TikTok Sea Shanties – A YouTube essay by Adam Neely* Podcast #141: How Radio Isn’t Done According to Negativland’s Don Joyce and the archives of Over The Edge* Have You Heard George’s Podcast?* Eric realized during the editing process that the best example of the experimental sound documentary format he was struggling to name is probably The Kitchen Sisters.