From her start in the oil business to becoming the high-priestess of memes and CryptoDickbutts, Meltem Demirors, head of strategy for Coinshares, joins Raoul to dig into the power of memes and how they drive everything — including meme'ing a $1 trillion asset into existence. Meltem and Raoul also cover L1s, L2s, and the debate of centralization versus decentralization. And of course, why Meltem loves CryptoDickbutts so very much. Recorded on June 5, 2023. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices