Candace and Patrick loved talking with Leslie Shalduha last week. They talked about their own challenges in getting started with herbalism back-in-the-day. They shared a story or two of some of their early efforts and what it took to overcome the old patterning. They finished off with an answer to an Herbal 101 question from Valerie about measuring for tincture-making. See acast.com/privacy for privacy and opt-out information.