In our tenth episode, we pick the brains of Jon Marshall. A veteran, London-based industrial designer, and partner at Pentagram, a multi-disciplinary, independently owned design studio with offices across the globe. Jon’s work has been seen in Fast Company, Wired, and Core77 to name a few. In 2012 Jon co-founded MAP, a design studio that crafts physical products for the digital age. We ask about the cost vs benefit of education, big breaks, running your own studio, and the challenges of creating hardware in a world full of CGI. Show Notes: Follow Jon Marshall on Instagram | @jonmarshall Jon Marshall | Pentagram  Alessi Australia  ​​Barber Osgerby  Barber Osgerby - Olympic Torch 2012 Real Designers Ship (@real_designers_ship)  Yoto Player  Honda. Great Journey. _____ Follow (REDACTED) on Instagram | @redacted_designpod  Follow (REDACTED) on TikTok | @redacted_designpod Follow (REDACTED) on Linkedin| @redacted_designpod Hosted by Oliver Alexander & Fraser Greenfield with guest Jon Marshall