In this insightful second part of the episode, Michael Barnard welcomes listeners to a conversation focused on the cutting-edge topic of decarbonizing shipping ports. His guest, Sahar Rashidbeigi, holds a pivotal role at A.P. Moller Maersk, spearheading the decarbonization efforts for their APM Terminals division. Sahar shares her experiences and the complexities faced in adopting new, more sustainable technologies in the shipping industry. The conversation delves into the high costs and challenges associated with decarbonization efforts, underlining the industry's fragmented nature and the lack of standardization. The dialogue further explores the ongoing debate between battery electric solutions and hydrogen as alternative energy sources for ports. Sahar emphasizes the need for a factual, cost-based debate, acknowledging that while hydrogen isn't opposed ideologically, its cost-effectiveness and feasibility for large-scale rollout must be considered. The operational challenges associated with battery electric vehicles, such as charging time and downtime during continuous operations, are also discussed. Sahar and Michael touch upon the role of carbon border adjustment mechanisms, the incentives for shifting to cleaner technologies, and the need for standardization in the industry. They also discuss the critical role port authorities play in promoting the adoption of zero-emission technology. Highlighting her work at APM Terminals, Sahar emphasizes the importance of collaboration with stakeholders, including shipping lines and OEMs, for standardization and modernization efforts. The focus is on making decarbonization more approachable by tackling the more straightforward parts first, rather than waiting for a comprehensive solution. The episode concludes with a discussion on the spillover effects of emissions reduction in the shipping industry into other sectors, showcasing the broader implications of these efforts. This episode is a must-listen for anyone interested in understanding the intricacies of decarbonizing large-scale industrial operations and the future of sustainable shipping and logistics.