As opposition politicians lecture their constituents about not loving growth enough, and vow to keep children in poverty to achieve it, Patricia & Christian talk to award-winning economist and author of “Money For Beginners - An Illustrated Guide” Professor L. Randall Wray about how governments spend and the legacy of 40 years of ignoring it.   Please help sustain this podcast! Patrons get early access to all episodes and patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/MMTpodcast     All our episodes in chronological order: https://www.patreon.com/posts/43111643   All our patron-only episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/57542767     LIVE EVENTS! Rethinking Capitalism weekend (Canberra, 26th - 27th August): https://modernmoneylab.org.au/events/ Sign up to the Gower Initiative For Modern Money Studies’ mailing list for updates about their event with Warren Mosler in London on 1st September (details TBC): https://gimms.org.uk/mailing-list/ Website of the 3rd International European MMT Conference (Berlin, September 9th-10th: https://www.mmtconference.eu/     Relevant to this episode: All our episodes with L. Randall Wray: https://www.patreon.com/posts/44467066 Books By L. Randall Wray: https://www.amazon.co.uk/kindle-dbs/entity/author/B001HP7OPG Papers By L. Randall Wray: https://www.levyinstitute.org/publications/l-randall-wray Public sector pay rises of 10% would add little to inflation, says UK thinktank: https://www.dumptheguardian.com/society/2023/jul/18/sector-pay-rises-10-per-cent-add-little-to-inflation-uk-thinktank-ippr-rishi-sunak For more on MMT-informed perspectives on the euro, listen to: Episode 55 - Dirk Ehnts: A Way Forward For The Eurozone: https://www.patreon.com/posts/38252014 , Episode 147 - Dirk Ehnts: Do Markets Control Our Politics?: https://www.patreon.com/posts/72906421?pr=true and Episode 160 - Stuart Medina Miltimore: The Euro Is The Problem: https://www.patreon.com/posts/79507827?pr=true For more on the endogenous money view (the non-fringe, very mainstream view that bank loans create deposits, not the other way around), listen to episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318 and episode 43 - Sam Levey: Understanding Endogenous Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/35073683 For more on why government bond issuance (so-called government “borrowing”) does not “crowd out” private sector investment under a floating exchange rate currency regime, listen to episode 142 - Every Deficit Is Good For Someone: https://www.patreon.com/posts/71264759?pr=true For more on the MMT Job Guarantee, see “Our Job Guarantee episodes” (below).     For an intro to MMT: Our first three episodes: https://www.patreon.com/posts/41742417 Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318   Quick MMT reads: Warren’s Mosler’s MMT white paper: http://moslereconomics.com/mmt-white-paper/ Steven Hail’s quick MMT explainer: https://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-modern-monetary-theory-72095 Quick explanation of government debt and deficit: “Some Numbers Are Big. Let Me Help You Get Over It”: https://christreilly.com/2020/02/17/some-numbers-are-big-let-me-help-you-get-over-it/     For a short, non-technical, free ebook explaining MMT, download Warren Mosler’s “7 Deadly Innocent Frauds Of Economic Policy” here: http://moslereconomics.com/wp-content/powerpoints/7DIF.pdf   Order the Gower Initiative’s “Modern Monetary Theory - Key Insights, Leading Thinkers” (2023): https://www.e-elgar.com/shop/gbp/modern-monetary-theory-9781802208085.html   Episodes on monetary operations: Episode 20 - Warren Mosler: The MMT Money Story (part 1): https://www.patreon.com/posts/28004824 Episode 126 - Dirk Ehnts: How Banks Create Money: https://www.patreon.com/posts/62603318 Episode 13 - Steven Hail: Everything You Always Wanted To Know About Banking, But Were Afraid To Ask: