This episode is a special episode where Relai CEO Julian Liniger reflects on how Relai was founded. As guests he welcomes two very special people: Relai co-founder and CTO Adem Bilican as well as Lars Diener-Kimmich, one of the earliest investors and supporters of the company.  Relai started as a pitch deck in summer 2019, and was established as an actual company in summer 2020. In this conversatio, Julian, Adem and Lars talk about the early days You can find Adem on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/_adembilican_ You can find Adem's LinkedIn account here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/adem-bilican-9a808a126/ You can find Lars on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/ludensfaber You can find Lars’ LinkedIn account here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/larsdienerkimmich/ -- 00:00 - Intro 04:50 - Lars’ Professional Background 08:30 - Why Lars decided to work with Relai 14:00 - Why you really have to believe in the project 19:00 - Why scarcity mixed with drive are important for founders 27:30 - Why young founders need mentors and coaches 31:00 - Co-founders really matter 40:00 - Co-piloting instead of of coaching -- The opinions expressed on the show are the opinions of the individual guests and may not reflect the opinions of Relai AG. The information on the podcast may be changed without notice, and is not guaranteed to be correct, complete or up-to-date. -- Relai is Europe’s easiest bitcoin investment app. The ‘Made in Switzerland’ bitcoin investment app enables anyone in Europe to invest in bitcoin within minutes, without the need for registration, verification, or a deposit. You can buy bitcoin instantly or set up a weekly/monthly savings plan for as little as 10 CHF/EUR and invest in bitcoin automatically over time. 👋 New to Relai? Visit our website to learn more: https://relai.app/ 📲 Download our Android App: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.relai 📲 Download our iPhone App: https://apps.apple.com/app/id1513185997  💡 Don't forget to subscribe to the podcast, so you never miss an episode! 💡 Also, don't forget to subscribe to our YouTube channel to watch the episode in video format and enjoy the best bits from new episodes: https://www.youtube.com/c/Relai Follow us on Twitter ➡️ https://twitter.com/Relai_app Join our community on Telegram ➡️ https://relai.ch/telegram  Follow us on Instagram ➡️ https://www.instagram.com/relai.app/ Like our Facebook page ➡️ https://www.facebook.com/pg/RelaiApp/community/  #bitcoinpricetoday #bitcoinprice #bitcoin