Two great American songwriters get together in New Jersey and go deep on songwriting secrets and much more Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We tell the entire story of Chappell Roan's wild rise — and explain why her current controversies won't end up defining her career. Brittany Spanos — who wrote Rolling Stone's recent Chappell Roan cover story — joins host Brian Hiatt for the discussion Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...