This episode (which consists of two parts) is about the Dutch Sinterklaas festivity and specifically the figure of Black Pete. It firmly states that activism works and that Black Pete is Racism.  To discuss this important and challenging topic I gathered with two fabulous people: Lieke Koningen and Simone de Bies.  Lieke is a mother, a life coach, community builder and event producer. An award winning teacher, dancer and workshop developer who lives with her family in Amsterdam, The Netherlands. From a very young age she felt the need to stand up against injustices and her passion for social justice has been part of her life ever since.  Simone was born in Suriname, in South America and moved to Amsterdam, the Netherlands at the age of 9. This is where she lives together with her daughter Zoe. Simone works for the Dutch government and is passionate about making our society more equal and inclusive.   In this first part of the episode we introduce the topic, listen to statements from people on the topic, outline parts of the resistance struggle and provide some analysis on why Black Pete is racist.  Host: Stella Saliari   At Salt the Podcast   my guests and I contest and deconstruct narratives, and passionately recreate with the aim to change systems and perceptions. We want to elevate a generation that is feminist, antiracist and empathetic. Our conversations flow into each other and leave room for the unexpected. Salt is love, community, solidarity, a collective, healing, creating. It is intersectional, full of stories, movement and change. It insists, evolves and transforms. It is a commitment. #blackpeteisracism #KOZP #nederlandwordtbeter #gloriawekker #racism #killjoy #stopblackface #nederlandkanhet #blacklivesmatter #sinterklaas #decolonize #coloniallegacy #colonialism #activism #ZwartePietIsZwartVerdriet #representation #luluhelder #saraahmed #representationmatters #resistance #equitymatters #intersectionality #antiracism #blackpeteisblacksadness #amsterdam Follow Salt @salt_thepodcast Subscribe to Salt The Podcast on Soundwise Subscribe to Salt The Podcast on Soundwise