Listen to this interview of Görkem Giray, IT executive and part-time educator in the domain of computer science. We talk about his paper A software engineering perspective on engineering machine learning systems: "A software engineering perspective on engineering machine learning systems: State of the art and challenges" (JSS 2021). Görkem Giray : "By the time I received back the reviews for this paper, I had been working on the topic for over a year. So, that's why, like so many researchers deep inside their topics, I had started to become blind. Therefore, it helps immensely to have outside reviewers on your work——because with focus on a topic comes, too, this blindness in perspective. That's where the outsider view helps." Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices