An illuminating conversation with one of our greatest living science-fiction writers on topics as diverse as AI, climate change, interstellar travel, new forms of finance needed to avert catastrophe, memorable characters and plot lines in his novels, the debate between settling Mars now vs fixing Earth first, utopia and dystopia, and his love of ultralight backpacking. Active Transcript (read while listening) YouTube Version Kim Stanley Robinson at the Long Now Foundation (YouTube) Origins of the Red Mars Trilogy — The Interval, 02016 Climate Futures: Beyond 02022 Learning From Le Guin How Climate Will Evolve Government and Society Ursula Le Guin: Call it Greatness Science Fiction is the Realism of our time Speculative Science Non-fiction The 2015 Paris Agreement What is the Paris Agreement (Website) Original Text (27pg PDF) KSR - Paying Ourselves to Decarbonize (NOEMA) Special drawing rights (Wikipedia) A safe operating space for humanity (Nature - Johan Rockström, et al ) Want to help me make these shows? Please consider becoming a patron!