Cam is away this week and Ali thinks it's time to get "Kinky". She is joined by mother and daughter academic duo Dr Susan James and Esmé James, who together wrote the book "Kinky History" and well as write, direct and produce their own web series. They have embarked on a journey few have conquered before. Combining their respective knowledge of mathematics and human sexual history, Susan and Esmé are on a mission to explore intimate life within Australian society, helping to erase the taboo which still exists around such important information. LINKS: Follow Cam @camerondaddo on Instagram Follow Ali @alidaddo on Instagram Follow Nova Podcasts @novapodcastsofficial.  Follow Esme James HERE Follow Susan James HERE Got a question for Cam & Ali? You can email them at [email protected].  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.