In this podcast, our host Sarah Daly is joined by Kasang Kajang, Founding Director of KSquared and Alex Jahanshahi Edlin, Associate Director Sustainability / ESG and Net Zero at McBains. Together, they discuss what is actually meant by 'hard to treat' properties. They also explore how to deliver, and scale up retrofit when faced with more challenging construction types (e.g system built or high rise), planning requirements (e.g conservation zones), properties with difficult access or those with complicated ownerships. There are a number of free webinars, masterclasses and follow up events available for free right now through RISE. Please visit ⁠⁠⁠⁠our website⁠⁠⁠⁠ to find the right event for you. This podcast is an informal discussion between interested parties associated with Retrofit Information, Support and Expertise. Any views expressed are those of the individuals concerned and do not seek to represent the government.