Note: This episode was recorded before the presidential election. “We don’t live in a world of ideals right now.” So says Jeffrey Goldberg, editor in chief of The Atlantic. He and Moore, who recorded this episode on the anniversary of the October 7th Hamas attacks on Israel, discuss the fraught state of both domestic and global politics. They consider cultural climates on college campuses and social media, civil disobedience, and leadership. They also talk about military service in light of Goldberg’s new book, On Heroism, and talk about perspectives on masculinity in light of American culture and politics.  Resources mentioned in this episode or recommended by the guest include: Jeffrey Goldberg The Atlantic Washington Week with The Atlantic Prisoners: A Story of Friendship and Terror by Jeffrey Goldberg On Heroism: McCain, Milley, Mattis, and the Cowardice of Donald Trump by Jeffrey Goldberg “The Unreality of Columbia’s ‘Liberated Zone’”  “Stoicism in the South”   Seven Days in May The Overton Window Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices