Bobby Chowa Werner is a dharma holder, or assistant teacher, in the White Plum Zen tradition.  He has been a student of Roshi Anne Seisen Saunders since 2005 at the Sweetwater Zen Center in the San Diego California area. Chowa’s livelihood is in the music industry, composing and producing music for various projects and touring with an acappella doo wop quartet, The Alley Cats. Chowa is also on the management team for Duwara Consciousness Foundation, which provides services for San Diegans experiencing houselessness. More about Sweetwater Zen Center: https://swzc.org/ More about Simplicity Zen Podcast: https://simplicityzen.com/