Martin Shaw chats with author and Boudicca incarnate, Jay Griffiths. They discuss their calling to the creative arts and Jay’s new book, Why Rebel. As they look back to lockdown and the ensuing pang of melancholy that comes with solitude, they realise that melancholy can make us self-forgetting and look beyond ourselves. This episode is for those seeking compassion in compassion-less times. Pick up Smoke Hole: Looking to the Wild in the Time of the Spyglass from bookshop.org or your favourite local bookstore. Find Martin Shaw on insta @drmartinshaw; facebook @Martin Shaw; www.drmartinshaw.com You can find more info on Jay Griffiths here: www.jaygriffiths.com A huge thanks to Ben Addicott for helping to produce this podcast. Smoke Hole is published by Chelsea Green Publishing UK.