Martin Shaw talks to publisher, author, podcaster and smallholder, John Mitchinson about the most powerful, precious and provocative objects in the world – books. More than simply content, more than print on paper, books are repositories of knowledge and a portal to anyone and anything, anywhere. John and Martin discuss the feeling of finding a kindred spirit in a book and extending the life of a book beyond its pages, passionately articulated and shared in John’s (and Andy Miller’s) podcast, Backlisted. Martin says, ‘There is very little in the world for me that is more magical than books.’ This one’s for the bibliophiles out there. Pick up Smoke Hole: Looking to the Wild in the Time of the Spyglass from bookshop.org or your favourite local bookstore Find Martin Shaw on insta @drmartinshaw; facebook @MartinShaw; www.drmartinshaw.com Find John Mitchinson on insta @johnmitchinson; twitter @johnmitchinson A huge thanks to Ben Addicott for helping to produce this podcast Violin music by John Matthias Smoke Hole is published by Chelsea Green Publishing UK