Martin Shaw talks to rabbi, artist and author Dr. Ariel Burger, who reminds us that 'there are certain kinds of madness that really do constitute sanity in a world gone mad.' Ariel explains that this has been a theme in many of the Jewish mystical teachings that have inspired him, and he and Martin delve into how ancient stories help us to think about what is missing from the current conversation. They suggest that in times like these we must be open to the marginal and pay close attention to the periphery. When the conversation turns towards the current events in Gaza, Ariel asks that we consider one question: 'Is what you’re reading in the news going to help the peacemakers or not?' Pick up Smoke Hole: Looking to the Wild in the Time of the Spyglass from bookshop.org or your favourite local bookstore Find Martin Shaw on insta @drmartinshaw; facebook @MartinShaw; www.drmartinshaw.com Find Ariel Burger on insta @arielisdrawing; facebook @ArielBurger100;  https://arielburger.com/ A huge thanks to Ben Addicott for helping to produce this podcast Violin music by John Matthias Smoke Hole is published by Chelsea Green Publishing UK