Jenna tells Daniel about some recent milestones her family has experienced and expresses appreciation for her sobriety, and for being fully engaged and emotional. She addresses a brief desire to drink at her daughter's graduation celebration dinner, and Daniel talks about how that is normal, and that it is unrealistic to think you'll never have another craving. They talk about "negative permanent language" and as it applies to sobriety.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices