Today on the show, we have Peter Hanssens, the CEO and founder of Cloud Shuttle and creator of the DataEngBytes Conference. Peter has helped build an incredible data engineering community in Australia. He runs meetups, user groups, luncheons, and entire conferences. And he's also super knowledgeable. He's been working in the data space for a long time. We picked his brain about the history of data tooling, trends he's seeing in the industry and the relationship between data engineers and other types of engineering. Even if you aren't in the data world, we think you will enjoy the conversation.