For this episode Bo is speaking with multi-talented composer, producer, songwriter and performer Tommy Spender about creative collaborations. Tommy is an old hand at this, with many successful collaborations under his belt including an ongoing project with musician and friend Mama Kin. He also produces this podcast (how meta!) and created the original music. Bo and Tommy discuss: • Are creatives and artists the ultimate preppers? • How does Tommy work collaboratively with other songwriters? • What does the creative process of working with fellow musician Mama Kin look like? • Do you need to set ground rules (or a safe word?) for collaborations? • Do creative collaborations need to make money? How do you have those tricky conversations about money when working collaboratively? • Has the word 'pivot' become overused? What does pivoting mean for creatives right now? • How do you market and promote a collaborative project? Links: Are you listening, Mama Kin Spender's new EP on Spotify https://open.spotify.com/album/2agZANuMJ8ROpSkIdnKWYf?si=fhaExHDXT2mEla00yt70Vw Mama Kin Spender website: https://www.mamakinspender.love/ Tommy Spender's website: https://www.spender.com.au/ Uma Spender's website: https://www.umaspender.com/ Wong and Megirian collaboration on Instagram Hotel Home via Gotye - Spender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQpdTOF5B5g Peace Of Your Mind via Clairy Browne - Spender https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83wS9dXwljM WorkLife with Adam Grant podcast episode 'Authenticity Is a Double-Edged Sword': https://podcasts.apple.com/au/podcast/authenticity-is-a-double-edged-sword/id1346314086?i=1000470721542 Thanks so much for listening! If you enjoyed the episode, please leave us a review or share it with your soul trader mates! Have a question? Email us at [email protected] or tag us on social media using the hashtag #soultraderspodcast. You can also find us on Instagram: Amy's Instagram @amy_snoek Bo's Instagram @b_o_w_o_n_g Music and production by Tommy Spender