Welcome to Spirit Box! In this episode, we’re joined by Dr. Lenni George and Dr. Nat Clegg, founders of the House of Zophiel. Based in Turin, Lenni and Nat organize and run magical and esoteric-themed events for the curious and the seeker alike. Nat shares his thoughts on using creativity as a bridge between the conscious and subconscious, and explores the difference between Art and Creativity. Lenni focuses on “green work” in gardens to access magic and healing, and we'll also discuss her Moon Garden, dedicated to the Goddess Hekate. Turin itself is a city steeped in magical history, known as one of the vertices of both the black and white magic triangles in Europe. It's said to be a crossroads of spiritual energy, with links to both divine light and occult darkness. The city’s esoteric traditions stretch back centuries, making it a key location for those interested in the occult. We’ll explore how these magical forces influence the work of the House of Zophiel and the city’s lasting mystical legacy. Additionally, in the Plus show, we’ll dive into their psychic questing in the UK and beyond, exploring healing places and landscapes where tragedies have occurred—and much more. Show notes: https://www.houseofzophiel.net https://www.instagram.com/houseofzophiel/ https://www.facebook.com/houseofzophiel  https://blog.musement.com/us/esoteric-turin-a-journey-between-white-and-black-magic/ https://www.hotelconcordtorino.com/en/magic-esoteric-tour-turin.html Occult Turin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ufF12q15gE Keep in touch? https://linktr.ee/darraghmason Music by Obliqka https://soundcloud.com/obliqka