In this week's special podcast, we follow up with writer Dina Nayeri after her visit to two of the camps where we work. She wrote movingly about her visit in the Guardian. As a child refugee herself, there were many parallels with her childhood experience, and it came with many bitter-sweet moments. Dina and Paul talk about the humanity that shines through adversity, about what it means to be a refugee and the the current political situation.  Dina's new book The Ungrateful Refugee, some of which will be based in Greece, will be published in spring 2019.