A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away, an army of gender advisors toiled across the Pacific. Gender advisors work in a system they eagerly want to change, swerving their way through atmospheres of complex bureaucracies and evolving cultural norms. In episode 4, Gordon Peake speaks to Anna Gibert, Hugh White, Jennifer Kalpokas Doan, Fremden Yanhambath, Mereani Rokotuibau, Graeme Smith, and Sevu Waqa. We ask them about the effectiveness of their Gender Equality, Disability and Social Inclusion (GEDSI) work and in return receive some candid and intriguing answers. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.