In this episode, Uzair talks to Dr. Ilhan Niaz about where Pakistan stands today and the nature of the status quo ruling the country. We also talked about the mainstreaming of anti-establishment views and what that means for the politics in the country. Finally, we also talked about modernization and the role of the Protestant Reformation in kick-starting this process in Europe, and whether Pakistan has the core ingredients to modernize. Chapters: 0:00 Introduction 1:30 Independence Day 2024 4:15 Where did Pakistan go wrong? 14:50 Assessing the status quo today 21:00 Anti-establishment views in Punjab 29:15 Protestant Reformation and modernity 39:55 Can Pakistan modernize? 51:50 Reading recommendations Reading recommendations - Great State – China and the World by Timothy Brook - Asad Rahim’s essay in Dawn - https://www.dawn.com/news/1852072/the-two-partitions-polemics-purges-and-pakistans-first-opposition-party