Nate & Ben are joined by Dan Szymborski (Fangraphs, ZIPs) to discuss cats, Arby's, video games, the creation of ZIPs, adjusting projections as the game evolves, how teams utilize internal metrics vs what the rest of the world uses, the long term problems with the Cardinals and the overall issue with how baseball is set up, more video games, and much more!  Talking About Birds is listener supported on Patreon. Support the show and join our private discord server at: www.patreon.com/talkingaboutbirds.